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    Staff Moderator mraadgev [NLA]'s Avatar
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    Thank you for people who have provided feedback on Tags.

    As Kerry has said, tags are a lot more personal than classification systems, and the guidelines were originally produced because people wanted them. For names, people can enter them either in reading order or in index order, whichever is most use to the user who is creating them. When these guidelines are updated this reference will be removed.

    The example of "parkes, henry" is there to demonstrate the need to put double-quotes around a tag if it includes a comma.

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    I saw a Public Tag today that could truly be called useless ...... "My great great grandmother". I cannot see any way that this is of any use to anyone as a public tag, and if users keep expanding on this theme the Tag Cloud will be flooded with such tags. In fact a quick check of the Tag Cloud shows that there is already a multitude of tags like this - including one "gr8 grandmother", presumably by someone who spends too much time texting!!.

    I have a number of old photographs with similar hand-written labels, which equally are as useless when you have no idea who the person was that wrote the label (tag), and often no clarification as to which person in a group photo (news article) is actually being referred to by the label (tag).

    It seems to me that it needs to be made clearer to users the distinction between Private Tags and Public Tags, and to help encourage the use of Private Tags (when the tag serves no public purpose) they need to be made searchable like Public Tags so that people are not tempted to use Public Tags in ways that achieve absolutely nothing for anyone else but themselves.

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    Last edited by Spearth; 27-03-2012 at 09:11 PM.

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    Some good suggestions, but I still think that Trove needs to develop an option for registered individuals to change their own tags en masse. I pointed to this quite a while back in another post. I know there are already a million and a half suggestions on how to improve Trove, but is there a particular reason why this type of tool might not be thought prudent?

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    Hi Mogedon,

    The ability to make mass changes to tags is on our list of possible future enhancements for Trove, unfortunately we are unable to provide information on when any particular enhancement may be added.

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    There are some weird 'n wacky public tags, and finding what you want can be a challenge sometimes but we're lucky to have all the info available!
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    I find that tags are simply useless clutter.
    It would be great if there was a checkbox option to 'Hide all tags' somewhere on the search page.
    Even better if that option can be cookied and remembered for future sessions.

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    Lightbulb Keep flexible TAGS, suggest guides or links for better subject definitions

    Excellent comments and suggestions re TAGS.

    I favour keeping the tag system flexible with links to concise guides on how to better classify subjects using the tri-level library style and searching using existing tags. Experienced researchers have a good understanding of how others might use their public tags. Welcoming new researchers to the forum discussions may also assist (especially as search engines can pull up items from TROVE directly).

    The use of commas to separate first and surnames wasn't clear in the suggestion box, so I opted for capitalisation for SURNAMES and using (parenthesis) for sub-identifiers eg Samuel CORNWELL (birth), Samuel CORNWELL (groom), Samuel CORNWELL (manager).

    When it came to honorifics I've been hit and miss with applying Dr or Sir to the names within tags, and only use Mr/Mrs when the first name is unknown!

    Re using quotation marks around names -I use them for house or property names, with the wider location or other qualifiers in parenthesis eg 'Tafola' (race horse) to distinguish from 'Tafola Station' (Emerald QLD) the property/locality.

    Few complaints other than desiring an ability to mass correct my earlier tags!

    As a relatively new user, please pass on my appreciation and thanks to TROVE's creators.

    Alex

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    Do tags allow for keyword searching (finding a search term(s) anywhere in the tag), or only phrase searching (only finding with the exact order)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WayneHodges View Post
    Do tags allow for keyword searching (finding a search term(s) anywhere in the tag), or only phrase searching (only finding with the exact order)?
    Wayne, I am not sure exactly what you are asking but here's the answer to a couple of possible interpretations.

    If you do a keyword search in Trove, it will search the tags on an article as well as the text. For example, if you search for:

    john job bradfield

    the first article that comes up (on the relevance setting) is "No title" and if you look at this short article, you will not see the words "john" or "job" only bradfield. It is finding the "john" and "job" in the tag.

    If I do a phrase search, such as either of these:

    "john job crew"
    "job crew bradfield"

    it will return the same article because, again, it finds the phrase in the tag.

    If your question is just about searching tags (and not text), then the search you would request is:

    publictag:"john job bradfield"

    which returns nothing at all. This is because it tries to match the whole tag and what's more it's case sensitive. So

    publictag:"John Job Crew Bradfield"

    will return the articles so tagged but subsets of those words generally don't work. Except for when you use the start of the tag name with a wildcard * at the end:

    publictag:John*

    which returns you anything with a tag starting with John (which is a lot more articles than just the ones about Bradfield).

    This makes the use of publictag when searching only really useful when you know the exact name of the tag you are looking for, as it will not find words within the tagname. But as the standard keyword search DOES find words within tagnames, it's probably better just to do that.

    If you are only interested in finding tag names rather than articles with those tag names, then do something completely different. Click the "Tags" link on the top right of your screen. This allows you to search for parts of a tag name. So a search here for

    job crew

    will return the tag "John Job Crew Bradfield" (assuming you set the search to "By anyone"). That is, this screen can do something that the main search screen cannot. But it still isn't a true keyword search on tagnames. If you search here for

    job bradfield

    nothing is returned. When you use this search, it acts like a phrase search within the tagname.

    So, as you can see, searching with tags isn't entirely obvious. And you might need to experiment with doing a number of these techniques to get the best outcome and no outcome might be exactly what you wanted.

    Kerry

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    It might be helpful if you can tell us with an example what you are trying to do. It may be easier to answer with a concrete example than in the abstract.

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